CENTER ON VICTIMIZATION AND SAFETY VERA INSTITUTE OF JUSTICE DIGGING DEEPER JUNE WEBINAR JUNE 5, 2019, 1:30 P.M. >> A good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We will be starting in just a few minutes. Thank you so much. >> Good afternoon everyone! I would like to welcome you to today's webinar. We are pleased to bring you this as part of our 2019 DiggingDeeper grantee webinar series. We have just a few quick logistical items to go over before we begin today. There are two ways to communicate with myself and my Vera colleagues, other webinar participants today. First, the chat pod. The chat pod is used to communicate with the presenter and other attendees. You may use the chat box to introduce yourself and answer any questions the presenter may pose to the audience. In addition to the chat box, there will be times in which we encourage you to participate. Please feel free during those times to unmute your audio and speak. 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If you are having any difficulties with the captioning, or any other technical difficulties during the presentation, please enter a message in the Q&A pod, to the bottom, right of thePowerPoint. If you have called into the webinar today, please mute your line by pressing "mute" on your phone or *6. This will ensure that there is no audio interference during the webinar. If you would like to download a copy of today's presentation, you can do so by going to the pod in the bottom right hand corner of the screen. Today, I will be facilitating the conversation along with my colleague Kaitlin Shetler. Kaitlin? >> Good afternoon, everybody. I'm so excited to have this talk today. So the first thing that I thought we could do to getstarted was introductions. I would love to hear who is here and what collaboration you are with and where you are in the process. So you can either use your audio to do this or you can use thechat pod. I want ev to take their turn -- everybody to taketheir turn and go ahead and let us know where you are at. So let us start. I will go ahead and just start with people. Let's start with Crista. >> Hi, can you hear me? Okay great. Where are we in our collaboration process? So we are in discussion about our collaboration charter, specifically the pieces aroundcommitments -- or contributions and commitments and assumptions. And we are still also just gathering information from each of ourpartners about each of their organization's cultures, ways ofwork, figuring out representation in terms of like when someoneis not able to make it, who in the agency can attend. We are also talking a lot through our decision-making process as well. So, yeah, I think that's where we are at. We are also looking atdates this summer where we can have our leadership attend ameeting with the collaboration so that way we can get some, youknow, more feedback from the leader that each of our respectiveorganizations and some more buy-in, I guess, to move this processalong. >> Great, thank you. We have a lot of people who are typing inthe chat pod. Thank you guys for that. Let's see here. Elizabeth, would you like to go next? Let me see. >> Okay, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Awesome. I'm Elizabeth. I'm from the Utah collaboration. We are working on revisions to our collaboration charter and focusand hoping to have those done in the next couple of -- andsubmitted. Is there something that I'm missing from myintroduction, Kaitlin? >> I think you've got it. Yeah. >> That's me. >> Since we have a lot of people written down here I don't wantto miss anybody but I want to give us time to have theseconversations. Would anybody like to go ahead and raise theirhand if they would like to go next or like to say something tothe group to introduce themselves? >> Kerri, I see your hand as raised. I don't think we can hear you right now, Kerri. I'm going to let you figure that out. I wanted to look at the chat box and see we have Candice here from the New York school of the deaf working with my teacher's place. Hope, from the New York Presbyterian hospital. I don't want to miss anybody. Emily, hi, Emily. From Omaha, Nebraska. You are nos canning on improving services for domestic violence survivorsfor severe and persistent mental illness. And you are currentlyimplement at the end of your strategic plan, is that right? Heather, hi, Kaitlin, hi. Jackie, hi. Shirley, Tiffany, Molly. So it seems like a lot of you guys are having some really goodconversations right now around collaboration and aroundcommitment building. So I'm really excited to get thisconversation to see where we can go. I'm going to go ahead and give you goals for today. We wanted to review the stages of planning and development for thedisability grant program. So I know that you have heard a lotabout this. What is planning and development? What are we doinghere? We want to talk about these stages just briefly and thenwe want to discuss how your collaborations have personalized yourexperience in the grant program. We want to tell you about somecollaborations and how they personalized their experience and thestrategies to leverage the process in giving you some solutionsand some unique practices and products. So we really want thisto be a conversation that we can get a good idea of what makesyou unique as a collaboration and how can you take that thingthat makes you unique and really come out at the end of it andhave some really great products and really great ways for you tomake an impact in the group of people that you want to make animpact with. So, Ashley, I'm going to hand it back over. >> Thank you, Kaitlin. So as Kaitlin said, one of our goals fortoday is to just do a brief review of planning and developmentwith an eye towards really looking at how collaborationpreviously have kind of adopted the process and made the processtheir own in some unique ways and how they have taken somethingthat is special or different or unique about them and really used that as a tool for success in the program. So as you all knowthe three main stages of planning and development are thecollaboration building phase where you are working together tocreate shared understandings around your commitment, around yourbasic philosophical underpinnings of your work together and justaround creating basic understanding of how you are going to worktogether moving forward. And then you will -- then you move intoa needs assessment phase where we are doing two parts of theneeds assessment phase. A plan. Where you start planning forhow you are going to evaluate your agencies. How you are goingto do focus groups and talk to your service users and your staff. And then the actual report from the needs assessment which isafter you completed the needs assessment creating a sort offindings report that encapsulates everything that you found whenyou talked to your service users and staff. And then you usestrategic planning where you are planning all of the things thatyou are going to do during implementation and creating a solidlist of activities and initiatives. You are going to undertakein the next face of the grant program. And those are justthree -- the three broad brush kind of sort of phases that youwill go through and what I wanted to do is give you a fewexamples of how collaboration have successfully shaped thosephases to meet their unique needs or unique desires. Or to better adapt to the unique makeup of their collaboration. To start with the collaboration charter, we have had a lotof grantees who have spent a significant portion of time reallythinking about how to make the collaboration charter customizedto their needs. And some examples of that are thinking aboutshared definitions. We had a collaboration in Kentucky whorealized pretty early on their agencies didn't have a reallystrong shared understanding of what domestic violence was, thatthere was disagreement there and what they wanted to focus on wascreating a shared understanding and a shared definition of whatdomestic violence was. They felt that was really important tobuild upon in their work together. And recognize that if theydidn't have that early on, it would become problematic down theroad. So they spent a long period of time coming up with astrong shared definition of what domestic violence meant to theircollaboration. And it didn't look like other definitions of domestic violence, but it worked for them and it worked for theircollaboration and the partners around the table. Another example of this is in Kansas where one of thepartner organizations is a self-advocacy agency. And so many of the people on their core collaboration team had intellectual ordevelopmental disabilities. And they realized in order to befully inclusive they really needed to make all of their materialsbe in really plain language and augmented with pictures and sothey really took a long time in their collaboration buildingphase to make sure that the things they were creating worked foreveryone around the table. And so their collaboration charter looked slightly different than other collaboration charters. It's mostly made up of pictures and some very simple pieces oftext -- what it does is it works for their collaboration. What they talked about was a process that was standardized where theyhad a template to think about and they made it their own and madeit work for everyone who was working with their collaboration. Examples in the needs assessment process where we have seenthis successfully is in Kent County, Michigan, they have a bigthing around this concept called a culture of gentleness, and soit was really important to them that they reflected theircommunity values and their needs assessment. So they actuallyasked questions in their needs assessment about what can ouragencies do to better reflect the culture of gentleness that is avalue in our community. And this wasn't a question that we wouldhave known to even suggest to them or that another collaborationwould find useful, but it was really important to them becauseone of the things that they wanted to do is make sure that theircollaboration and their agencies were reflective of the values ofthe community that they were serving. So they identified this isa culture of gentleness was a value that was very important andreally use that in their needs assessment to make sure that theywere moving forward reflective of that value. Then in a stra -- an example in strategic planning, thereis a few examples that I want to give. The first is sort of Omaha who is a project director for Omaha is on our call today, but in their strategic plan they laid out that the very firstthing that they wanted to do was create a shared idea of whatbeing a trauma informed was. And having a trauma informedapproach to all of their work. And so the very first activitythat they laid out in their strategic plan was this sort of -- this model, this approach for making sure that everything elsethat they did was trauma informed and -- trauma informed. This was because being trauma informed was a very important value totheir collaboration and very important to them that all of thework that they did reflected that value. And so then as theywere moving forward all of their other activities that they undertook used that model -- undertook used that model of beingtrauma informed and reflected that value of being trauma informedand they had come up with innovative solutions, one of which isthey have been able to put their safety and access review tool inelectronic format. Almost like an app where people can reviewthe safety and access of their agencies. And the innovative approach has really come from their focus on being traumainformed and it's created a lot of innovative solutions. That's some examples of how some collaboration have taken differentphases of the grant program and really made them their own andtaken the values and the makeup and the community that they areserving and really customize what they are doing within the grantprogram. And what we want to do with you today is help you startto think about what is special about your organization and yourcollaboration and how you can start to think about where you cancustomize what you are doing to better serve the people that youwould like to serve in your community. And with that, I think I will turn it back over to Kaitlin. >> Thank you, Ashley. So the first question that we want to askas we lead this discussion about your collaboration and whatmakes you unique and why is that uniqueness important is what isunique about your collaboration? What specifically about yourcollaboration is unique to this process? You can raise your handand talk or you can type in that chat box. Now I'm going to giveyou a second to think about that. I will keep an eye to see ifanybody wants to be brave and talk. And as you are thinking through this and as you are typingand thinking about the uniqueness of what you bring, thisdiscussion is really more putting a lens on how can you do thiswork and make it important to you and important to the communitythat you serve. So this isn't necessarily you aren't customizingthe process because this process is very prescribed. This process is something that you go through. You to follow this prescribed process. But as you are thinking about the thingsthat you are doing, why are you doing them and what is importantspecifically to your community and what do you bring to that workthat makes it long lasting. I see that people are typing. Would anybody like to try iton audio? Would anybody like to raise their hand and say whilepeople are typing out. I'm really excited because it looks like you guys have alot to say. So I can't wait to see when it finally gets here. Okay, let's see here. >> This is Molly, can you hear me? >> Yes, Molly. >> Hi, sorry, took me awhile to figure out how to unmute. So in terms of something that came up for us and I'm hoping that thisanswers the questions, but is that our agencies -- I'm fromSacramento in northern California and our collaboration is between a dual rape crisis and domestic agency and society forthe blind so we are working to make both agencies accessible andinclusive and welcoming for survivors who are blind or lowvision. So one of the things that has been important to us isexamining the crossover between our values because they serveboth agencies serve such different purposes. One is instructional agency for independent living skills andemploying -- employment skills, and another is crisis responseand respite and counseling. So for us it was finding a crossoverbetween what was important to both agencies and where our valuesaligned. But also recognizing that the programs and things thatcome out of this are probably going to look very different basedon the missions of our organization. One of those things thatkept coming up in the beginning before we had -- did our needsassessment and everything was, we needed embedded advocate. We needed society for the blind who can -- be a good advocate to bethere and counsel with case management and those things. And as we went through our values and took that planning and developmentto analyze what we needed, it became pretty clear over time thathaving just one embedded advocate wasn't really going to cut itin terms of long-term sustainability. So those earlyconversations where we are really developing our collaborationand our relationships with each other actually led it to bemore -- we had more understanding when it finally came time to doour strategic planning and it made sense not to have an embeddedadvocate whereas early on that's what both parties were sayingthey wanted. So taking that year to really develop trust amongeach other and figure out other ways to make sustainable changeswithout just hiring one person that made a really big differenceto us. I'm hoping that answered the question. >> Absolutely. I love that example that you gave, too, because I think it gives everybody a really good look at how this processwhen you engage it -- when you engage it truthfully and when yougo through the process you come out with this sense of trust andyou get I think benefit everybody at the table and especially thepeople receiving the services. So I think that's a greatexample. Thank you so much for sharing. And wrote here that makes the Iowa collaborative unique isthat those partners are statewide collaboration and neither doesmuch direct service. Instead we support local programs andaffiliates in the work which means we bring in a big picture lensfrom the outset. So knowing that your lens is -- might bedifferent or unique can be very interesting when you start tohave those conversations and when you start to do collaborationbuilding. As mentioned in Omaha we decided to create a trauma informed approach. We didn't know what it would look like but it took about a year but our triumph Omaha approach highlights whatwe thought was important for services, especially for thepopulation focus and from really listening with our focus group. A big piece of this was recognizing the importance of emotionalsafety. What makes us unique we infuse this and had a strongvision of prioritizing this and always making sure we werelooking through the lens of this. Although the process isprescribed, and in the end we all create products with similarpurposes, I think it's that perspective of the vision and lensthat and the lens we at collaboration have as we make these products and implement them that make us each unique. That is such a great comment. I absolutely agree. Shirley, the Kansas BELIEVE team is truly inclusive. We avoid tokenism by ensuring that everybody has a voice and isvalued for their voice. The big takeaway I think is being really intentional withthe work and clear with the vision and mission. And the reason I thought that was really well written and I think made a lot ofsense and I'm really glad that you took the time to explain itbecause I think it was very helpful. Jackie, I believe that uniqueness from our collaboration isthat we have a great opportunity to work with teachers andcounselors from the Deaf institution and staff from the mental health services that are fluent in ASL. That brought us today where we can work together to provide services to Deaf survivorsand educate Deaf students through the workshop, too. Heather, my collaboration is unique because everyone isflexible and remains dedicated to the project despite changes instaffing, challenges, et cetera. That can be so helpful. And I really like how you can find uniqueness not only in what themakeup of your collaboration is, but also like the personalitiesand the strengths of people around the table. And I think that's a really good point to make, too. Elizabeth, our collaboration in Utah is comprised ofmultiple government agencies that have authority to makerecommendations to the legislator to make systemic change on alarge scale. Our partners consist of our state Department ofHuman Services, adult protective services -- hold on. Law enforcement, our disability law center and state sexual assaultcoalition. Many of these groups don't work together so we havereally created a multi-disciplinary team of agencies that don'toften work together but need to in order to better serve ourcommunity. Wonderful. Maria, difficult to chat by phone. It is. Sorry. -- letme go back up. I missed that. We are unique in that our teamhas passion for the project on personal and professional levels. And I think that is a really great asset to leverage when youtalk about passion. This is -- cool project because you arebringing people together who are passionate about things thatmaybe the rest of the community isn't. I thinking about able toleverage that can be so important to making something that islong lasting which is the point of this program. Kaitlin, my collaboration is unique because we have manyartistic team members and we try to approach things in anartistic way. Oh, I think that's so interesting. Kaitlin, ifyou have time to type more, I would love to hear more about that. How does that artistic piece of your team really come into playas you are developing this. So as you think about that, I knoweverybody else would love to hear more about that. So thank you. I think that's a great first start. I think we got a lot ofinformation. Ashley, if you want to take the next question. >> And I think, Kaitlin, your comment was a great segue into this next question that we have for all of you which is, how does yourcollaboration's uniqueness, whatever is unique about you ordifferent about you, how does that contribute to your worktogether? Or how could it contribute to your work together? Does anyone want to talk via audio? I can set up microphonesvery easily if anybody wants to raise their hand and try theirhand at speaking via the audio. >> Yes, hi, you hear me, Ashley? >> I can. >> Great. Our collaboration as we mentioned earlier is based in Westchester County, New York. I think what -- and this is what Jackie kind of alluded to earlier that we are all from verydifferent types of organizations or institutions so we have anon-profit domestic violence agency that works with survivors ofdomestic violence and human trafficking. We also have a hospital. Mental health department, specifically the outpatientdepartment. And then we also have a school for the Deaf. So I think that we all -- each three of these agencies, we all have acertain area of expertise that we are sharing with each other soI think that's allowed. And because each of us are all veryeager and open to just absorb as much information or perspectivesas we can, it's allowed us to work together really well becausewe want to be able to better understand each sort of population area. So whether it's survivors of domestic violence or human trafficking or whether it's Deaf students or whether it's youngpeople with Deaf patients or anyone with any sort of mentalhealth condition or issue they are working on, we kind of eachare really working hard to understanding those areas. So I think that's kind of allowed us to work together pretty well so far. >> Thank you. And I think that's echoed by something thatHeather wrote in the chat box which is having differentperspectives or experience in environment where everyone hassomething to teach and everyone has something to learn. And I think in this process it's really helpful when everyone aroundthe table comes to the collaboration with a sense of being ateacher and a learner and positions themselves to do both. And so I think it's great that you all are doing that. The approach that they developed in Omaha has given themlanguage to talk about the work. A conceptual ground ofstandards so we are trying to reach and can communicate around that. It wasn't easy to develop and all those conversations led to a final approach into a point of understanding. They had to be willing to challenge each other and push the standards and it really improved their quality of work. And so they were willing to kind of push beyond their standards, push themselves even further. I'm seeing multiple attendees are still typing. So I'm going to give everyone a few minutes. Does anyone else want to try the audio? I'm I see nothing takers on the audio but we have many people typing. I think that it's important to be thinking about how -- is that someone unmuting themselves? >> Hi, Sandra. >> I was going to add about the collaboration in New York. My sisters place, I think the other thing that will be really unique about your work is that you actually are going to be working with children. So 13 and up. So that -- I think that will also lend itself to some really unique conversations around your collaboration table and I don't want you to lose that in your work together that this is the first time that we have had a collaboration that is going to be able to do some work around working with the children. >> Thanks, Sandra. That's a great point to think about the fact that many of you are ground breaking in the grant program or doing something very different that's very exciting to see the unique aspects coming out and many of you have more than one, some unique characteristic about you. Shirley says the Kansas BELIEVE team has been working together for awhile now and one of the things they have done is being very intentional to get to know each other and spending time together outside of the collaboration. So forming really personal relationships with each other and checking in at every meeting to share experiences which just better helps inform of the barriers that people with IDV face when they check in regularly about what they are experiencing. What you expect you will be learning in challenge 5 versus actually what goes on in the process really helps to bring both the learning and the teaching through. And Kaitlin has said that they figured out in Tulsa that they value the most which is to make safety accessible and self-determination. At least the healing. So discussing the collaboration names and they wanted something that inspired survivors in a positive way and their target population is Deaf survivors. They look to different ASL signs and they played around with different ASL signs and came up with the name deaf rise. They looked at what they valued the most and came up with that for the name of their collaboration. Kaitlin, can you talk a little bit about how the fact that you all are sort of artistically inclined has impacted your work together? Meantime, she also said she really appreciates the idea of opening the meetings on a personal level. Getting to know each other on a personal level and she opens the meetings with a moment of gratitude or victory and she likes that because it starts off the meeting in a positive light before they dive into some of the deeper stuff. I think I will pass it back over to Kaitlin. >> Thank you, Ashley. So this next question -- oh, Kaitlin, you asked to repeat the question. You missed the ASL interpretation and I think we were wondering what you had mentioned that your collaboration was really artistic and I think we were all very interested to knowhow did that artisticness of your collaboration come out in the things you were doing. That's a very interesting point so I am excited to hear a little more about that. So this next question how does your work product reflected the unique aspect of your collaboration. I feel like we have heard some good things already. And some of you are obviously indifferent lengths and some are still working on collaboration charters and some of you have gone through the full process and are in continuation. And so if you haven't really been able yet to get into your work product, think about how are your work product going to reflect them. If you have, we would love to hear a little bit more about that. Molly, do you have your hand up? >> Hi, can you hear me now? Sorry. Keep messing up here. >> Yeah, so, we are in our strategic planning process right now finishing up or writing our strategic plan but we have come up with our key initiatives and one of the activities we are really excited about and I have said this many times when the project director calls so I'm sorry for everyone hearing it again. We really are excited about something that's unique for us in that we have -- we are serving a population of society for the blindness largely, blind or low vision. So one of products we are planning on creating is a audio recordings of the like healthy relationships training and we've -- crisis center and resource services recordings. It's because society for the blind they have the access newsroom where it's basically single -- like individual rooms where folks can go in and -- folks can go in and listen to the news or like coupon books or New Yorker or all different recordings of different things that are recorded verbally. And so they can listen to it in there which is really cool so we decided to make sort of a product that is created by both of us that can be utilized in those individual training rooms because it's anonymous. Folks can listen to whatever they want in there. And it's something that came up as a product in our needs assessment about how to get information out there without putting fliers on the wall or something like that that might require vision. So, yeah, that's something that's unique to our collaboration that we are really excited about. >> Oh, I love that. That's wonderful. That's really cool. Thank you so much, Molly, for sharing. Our products always contain the explanation of triumphOmaha approach and our emotional safety definition. We always include some sort of lens of emotional safety or the approach. For example, we included questions based on the lens in our policy and procedure view pool and our safety and access review tool. It's this added perspective that we always be sure to include in all of our products. I like the example that you give here of taking something that is a value, that is held by your collaboration, something that you guys either through needs assessment or through the conversations that you are having have determined is really important and then you integrated it in to your product throughout and then I think that's a really great example of being able to use this thoughtful period, this planning period to think about how can all of these conversations, all of the stuff that you are doing right now really make an impact. We are hearing from people who have already gone through this process who are in continuation who have said, yes, this is important. It's important for you to have these conversations. It's important for you to think about these values. It's important for you to continue and put this in the stuff that you are doing. You guys are giving great examples. So I'm really excited to read all of them. Our product had to reflect us -- that's a great -- our product had -- comment. Our product had to reflect us in order to write it. We had to find plain language that all of us understood. Artwork that reflected concepts, to ensure access afterwards. It's been a challenge to make sure all of our products work for all of us and that has allowed us to make sure to really make sure that people with IBB can work with our product. This working within the nothing about us without us motto that's great into action with everything we do as a collaboration. So you have really found this valuable. Kaitlin, you answered the artistic piece of it and many of us are visual people so I think this is really helped our collaboration in terms of thinking creatively. I don't mean artistic and drawing or painting terms. I mean more creative, original -- hold on. Wait, we don't want to reinvent the wheel. But we are curious -- I lost it. I'm sorry. I'm going back up here. We are curious that wheel can be developed in a different way if that makes sense. Yes. I'm going to stop. And then does somebody have something? Molly. Definitely, if you guys have questions as we are talking through this, let us know. Shirley, we created four tool kits that are all in plain language and 14 point font. Our team worked hard to make sure our work product search was accessible. We relied heavily on ourself-advocate team members that are experts in plain language. Elizabeth, our -- it reflects this way of thinking when you look at our definitions. That's okay, Molly, you left your hand up on accident. I really think that this is all great examples of how you use kind of the shared experience because there is lived experiences that you have at the table, the uniqueness of your collaboration and you are bringing it in to these products that you are doing. One of the things that I think is going to be really important you are going to find that's really important is things are a lot more impactful, long lasting and just makes this -- for people when you personalize it. When you use your passion or your skills or your talent or the things that are really important specifically to your community. Definitely. So we will move on. We have ten more minutes and I want to make sure that we can answer some of these other questions, too. This to me, I think, is a very important conversation for us to have right now and this is why we wanted to bring it up to you guys. You have heard from your peers. You've heard from everybody here all of these really cool things that they are doing. The ways that you are having those conversations around collaboration building, the things that people have done when it comes to strategic planning. There are -- there is so much expertise at the table. There is so much uniqueness at the table. How are you going to leverage each other your uniqueness and your expertise? What types of tools will you use? Do you think it's important to do that? And if so, how are you going to connect passed today right now as you are working on things. I see some people are typing. I really love the idea of sharing -- ooh, I do. Sharing a victory at the start of the meeting. Definitely want to start -- going to start incorporating that. I loved that. I absolutely agree. That was such a great idea. So thank you -- I need -- can somebody tell me who shared that with us? I don't have that right in front of me. That was a great idea. That moment of victory. Heather said with the project director lists there would be a good place to have conversations about our experience or maybe elsewhere where you can post products and ideas and respond to each other. Absolutely. So this is what I want us to start thinking about and talking about. Where can you guys do this that it makes the most sense where it is really active. We have something that I sent out for some of us, a Slack channel. Will Slack be helpful place for you to do this? Kaitlin, it was you, Kaitlin. The moment of gratitude or victory. So, yes. I love that. P thank you so much for sharing that with us. So Maria said also share more on the Listserv. Molly said yes. So this idea -- love the idea of using a Slack. Love to see your products or ideas on the list. This seems like something that everybody really would like to do. So we have a Slack set up just for our 2000 -- I think it's 17 or 18 people -- sorry, 2018 people right now. But we are getting Slack set up so that everybody can be a part of it. And I think this would be something that would be really, really helpful for all of us if we can start using it in a way where you can actually start sharing these experiences that you have with each other. You don't have to wait for this webinar to come around to have these kinds of conversations. So we are piloting it and we want to get an idea from you on whether or not this would be helpful. >> Hi, this is Molly again. So, yeah, before -- not sure who mentioned the project Listserv but that has been instrumental on our end. I learned a lot from other project directors on those calls and from the Listserv and specifically -- who has the best ideas for everything and we have been able to pick and -- especially in those interim periods where you are trying to plan ahead for the next deliverable or the next phase of the planning process. Having those ideas for what to talk about in meetings and how to utilize that interim period to the most -- the best advantage or to your advantage is really -- has been helpful to us and especially on the Vera and abuse website looking at examples of deliverables so example of collaboration charters and example of strategic plans. So what I had been doing most of the time was reading through as many of those as I could and picking out some of the things that would work for our conversation and then in those planning meetings floating some of those ideas. And then also starting off we've gotten good ideas for videos and articles and things on the project Listserv even Instagram accounts and certain activists around disability justice that were influential to us so that we had something to talk about in our planning meetings even when there wasn't -- we are preparing for the next phase, if that makes sense. It's been helpful to be in touch with everybody. >> Yeah, that is awesome. Sandra, did you have something you would like to add? >> Actually, Molly just said it and that is that you can find the products that have been uploaded to our website at that link thatI just posted and the people with disabilities.org can get connected. As products are moved by OVW, Ashley tried to get them uploaded as quickly as possible. It's a heavy lift so they are not always up right away so I do think like a Slack channel might be a much easier way to get realtime products like you get yours approved and you want to celebrate that. You would be able to just send it out via Slack. So I'm excited that ya'll are interested. I know that Kaitlin has been piloting this Slack channel with the 2018 cohort, but this gives us every reason to open it up to the larger grantee community. >> Absolutely. And I think we've seen how helpful it is for all of us to have these conversations with each other. I just think that it's very -- it's very affirming to sit in the space and work with people who are -- who have the same passions as we. So it's been really neat to be -- to have this conversation take place today and everything that you guys have come up with. And Slack does make it easy to kind of just view different things. So yeah, we are getting great, great feedback right now. I don't want to take up too much of your time because I know that we are going to the end. But I don't want this conversation to end. I want us to continue having this conversation so when this webinar is over, we will go ahead and send up a follow-up just sort of letting you know these are our ideas for us to keep the conversation going to make it easier for you guys to connect with one another and to really help the process along. So if you have any questions or if you need anything, go ahead and just send us an e-mail and let us know in the chat pod and we'll get all of the answers that you need. So thank you so much for coming. We really appreciate it. And this -- a recording of this will be available for you. Please take a minute to complete a short survey about this webinar. Through the survey link. Thank you very much.